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claret50 1:50 Thu Mar 3
Martin Crowe
Martin Crowe the ex New Zealand cricket captain has sadly succumbed to cancer and passed away a short time ago. R.I.P.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11462281

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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:59 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
One of the very best of cricketers and by all accounts one of the very best of men.

RIP.

Northern Sold 2:01 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
A Fine fine player.... and a decent bloke as well...

RIP

Sven Roeder 2:04 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
Sad to hear that.
Was a great batsman and wrote some good stuff on the game in the last few years while he has been ill.
RIP

DukeofDevo 2:42 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
Only 53 that's absolutely tragic!

East Auckland Hammer 9:39 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
Good article on him here:

Martin Crowe was never loved by New Zealand in the way that Richie McCaw is loved. We love good buggers and stoics, men of the mud, leaders by example, narrow-eyed men who expand into three word sentences after a couple of beers.

Crowe was more interesting than that. He did not just want to be this country's greatest batsman, which he unquestionably was, he wanted his runs to be beautiful.

Crowe yearned to be an aesthete in a sporting culture which thought that a diphthong was something worn by chicks. And blessed be, not only did Crowe succeed in his aesthetic aim as a batsman, he also succeeded in later life as a man, something he undoubtedly regarded as a greater achievement.

For him perhaps it was, but for the rest of us, the Myth of Martin Crowe is a story of a man who compared with Viv Richards as one of the greatest batsmen of the modern era. Richards was Tiger Woods, a man of power who could make the impossible look commonplace. Crowe was Ben Hogan, the complete array of shots, eliminating mistakes, digging genius from out the dirt.

Peter Roebuck, Crowe's captain at Somerset, called it "the technique of sweet reason", an epithet that could just as easily have applied to Hogan. Roebuck also called Crowe "the leading long innings player in the world". It is easy to imagine the pair of them discussing their tortured souls over a glass of wine in a West Country bar, as they frequently did.


Crowe was not one of the lads and Ian Botham, unable to forgive him for replacing Richards at Somerset, to his shame called Crowe "a good club player". If anyone was the "club player" it was Botham, the bat a club in his belligerent, beefy hands. Crowe was much more subtle than that, his sumptuous straight drive through mid-on well beyond Botham's vocabulary.

John Parker says: "He was one of the great batsmen of all time. I never saw him make any ugly runs. He was probably a genius with the bat. He had a shot for every ball. He even got out nicely. He didn't really understand how good he was. He was a deep thinker, sometimes too deep a thinker, and quite emotional which is not true of many of the top players."

Although Crowe only averaged 45 in tests, it should be remembered he made his debut against Lillee and Thomson when he was far too young. The early years cost Crowe a truer average. He also batted on many a feisty pitch against attacks which contained the likes of Malcolm Marshall and Joel Garner, Wakim Akram and Waqar Younis, some of the greatest fast bowlers the world has known.


In 1985 Crowe scored 188 on a fiery pitch in Brisbane, a much greater innings than Ross Taylor's double century on a road in 2015, although Crowe took a mentor's pride in that knock. The same year, Crowe scored 188 in Georgetown against a Windies attack of Marshall, Garner and Michael Holding. Even Richard Hadlee always had a terrible time trying to get his countryman out.

Michael Atherton wrote: "Crowe was one of the most graceful and technically sound batsmen to have played in the modern era. His twin hundreds in the 1994 series against my England side, scored with a knee that Michael Vaughan would be proud of, were amongst the best I witnessed."

And yet the great sadness was that Crowe never felt the love in his own land until he was approaching the end. I heard him speak a couple of years ago in a room in Masterton and people were touched by his courage and decency. Quoting Martin Luther King, Crowe said: "We must live together as brothers or perish as fools."

Martin Crowe was inducted into the ICC Hall of Fame during the Cricket World Cup match between New Zealand and Australia at Eden Park in Auckland on February 28 last year.

Regrettably too many of New Zealand's sporting visionaries are left to perish as fools. Harry Ricketts, teacher, writer and cricket lover, memorably said of Crowe: "He refuses to enrol in the Sir Edmund Hilary School of laconic stoicism." It was his early downfall. And so, as John Morrison observed when Crowe was still a relatively young man; "The public believes he is a prima donna, spoilt and pampered, neurotic".

This was grotesquely unfair, but Crowe spent the rest of his life trying to clear his name. Ricketts calls him now "an uncomfortable hero … He could be portrayed as not a proper Kiwi joker. His strengths and weaknesses are inextricably linked. The fact that he cared so deeply made him great, but unappealing and nakedly self-interested to others."

It was only as he approached death that New Zealand learned to love Crowe. That was partly because Crowe wanted to make peace, but also because we knew how much we were about to lose. Crowe was not just New Zealand's greatest batsman, he should have been one of its great sporting leaders.


In 1992 he took the Beige Brigade to the brink of a World Cup final with truly innovative thinking and wept when his own injury pulled the team up short. Crowe's game 'Cricket Max' was the pioneer of T20 cricket. He mentored Taylor and Martin Guptill and fought until his death to improve standards in the game.

He called for the introduction of yellow and red cards to put an end to boorish behaviour, something that is now being trialled.

In his column for Cricinfo, Crowe observed a year ago: "Australia have reignited their patriotism under Darren Lehmann. The trouble with that is that he is a "boof". This means Australia will play ugly and behave immaturely. And if the other teams are self-destructing then Australia will gladly bully them down and stand gleefully triumphant."

How true that observation proved in the recent series, although it will have given Crowe no pleasure to have been proven right. It might have done in his younger days, but as he put his foot down the pitch for the last time, Crowe just wanted to leave a better world behind, a world in which his personal myth could make New Zealand proud.

We should be proud. Roebuck observed that Crowe had a Messianic streak that could challenge and disturb - but in the end Crowe made peace with himself and with us all. The parting, elegant shot is his.

"International cricket, nation v nation, is about patriotism and a bit of tribalism, but not hate. It does no harm to remind ourselves of why we play the game: for the love of entertaining every fan. We play to satisfy our pride of place, where we live.

"Someone wake me when it's done."

It's done.

cornish 9:49 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
Met him at the Alan lamb benefit at st austell c c and went on the piss with him and others in st austell great time great bloke and player.

Far Cough 10:00 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
RIP

Sven Roeder 10:01 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
"International cricket, nation v nation, is about patriotism and a bit of tribalism, but not hate."

I can see why he wasn't as easy to love for NZ fans with that sort of thinking.
A brilliant player and an intelligent man but as said from the outside someone who thought a lot about the game. Maybe too much.
A 'friend of Peter Roebuck' appears to be being used as some sort of euphemism. Which is unfortunate.

stewie griffin 10:01 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
Sad news

RIP

East Auckland Hammer 10:05 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
I see you've missed the point he was making by about 22 yards Sven.

Swiss. 10:10 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
Great batsman. In the Greg Chappell mode and as good.

Sven Roeder 10:36 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
He was a great player and well intentioned so I accept his obsession with only being interested in Australian behaviour without acknowledging anything else about their cricket.
He wrote well about the game and was someone interesting to hear and was right that cricket should have that competitiveness without descending into hate.
Something for the denizens of NZ cricket grounds to ponder on this sad day.

Northern Sold 10:38 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
cornish 9:49 Thu Mar 3

I played in the Lamby 6 a side tournament at St Austell CC in about 88... great time... especially the boozing after and the late night cricket game by the harbour

East Auckland Hammer 10:46 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
Sven, of course, he only EVER wrote negative articles about Australia right?

Please don't sully try to the great man's reputation with your condescending, defensive bullshit.

He's right, Australia shouldn't act like cunts, just like he's been right about a LOT of other things.

Sven Roeder 11:04 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
He was right that Test cricket shouldn't descend beyond tough competitive pride in your country competing against another into hatred of the other side.
I hope you take those words to heart and respect the great man with your behaviour.

kips 11:11 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
Super player. Great cricketing family
Russell Crowe is his cousin I believe.

RIP

Northern Sold 11:35 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
Was he brought in to replace King Viv at Somerset when they (him and Garner) had the falling out with the board and Roebuck?? Can't remember knoew>

Sven Roeder 11:58 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
His brother Jeff also played Test cricket for NZ and was a long time player for South Australia in the Sheffield Shield.
They are cousins of Russell Crowe.

Yes, as in the article below he came in to replace Viv at Somerset.
Botham wasn't pleased and his normal charming way described him as a 'good club player'.

violator 12:10 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
Weren't there whispers about him and Parore at one point, or was that someone else?

Far Cough 12:23 Thu Mar 3
Re: Martin Crowe
Hmmm, related to Russell Crowe as well

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